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Author Topic: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped  (Read 1159 times)

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new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« on: June 25, 2009, 12:07:24 PM »
well i guess they got more than 20% of the respondants that didn't want ar's  for units 3a,4g,4o,4p,4r,4s,4w,4x. don't know why they are letting the minority rule, but so be it. dec wanted overwhelming support to make the change.
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2009, 05:14:12 PM »
I know some of the dmus like 4x have not had doe permits for years and people complain they still do not see many deer. That explains the one dmu but not the others. I gues QDMA is going to depend on the private landholders.
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #2 on: June 25, 2009, 06:25:54 PM »
same issues here in michigan, if its brown in most areas "its going down."  it has taken private land owners years to develop trophy hunting and herd management techniques but still a minority on most lands
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #3 on: June 27, 2009, 01:03:09 PM »
The DEC guidelines were more than 67% approval and no more than 20 % strong opposition.  As they explained, it would be a major change, not only on biological basis, but on a strong historic hunter moral basis.

Additionaly, IMO, the survey was biased and flawed.  On the "approval" side, they added "strongly approve" and "moderately approve", but on the opposition side they only included "strong opposition" and discounted moderate opposition.

They gave the benifit of the doubt to the approval side and still did not meet their own criteria.  They compared apples to oranges and still had no signifigant mandate to go forward.  

When more than 30% of the hunters surveyed opposed the antler restrictions I think the DEC did the right thing in taking no action.  They have said they will continue to consider it.

Thank god the vocal, elite hunting clubs and trophy hunters were not allowed to determine whats best for the rest of us.

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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #4 on: June 27, 2009, 06:33:51 PM »
Jaeger I think you hit the nail on the head with most that you said. Taxes on the land in NY is voted in by the folks in the city (majority) that don't own any property, then they retire fat and happy and move upstate and complain about the taxes. PM me if you would like to get together this year at deer season. I hunt Coventry and south Oxford in Chenango County.

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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2009, 10:30:47 AM »
Klures99's post was correct.  I had originally ranted about those not paying taxes and mortgages telling us who do what is best for us.  In keeping with the non controversial atmosphere of this site I deleted most of my previous rantings.
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #6 on: July 01, 2009, 11:30:10 AM »
Klures you are very correct. I live down on Long Island but own property in Chenango county. Down here these liberals control the entire state. They don't care what people want in the Northern and central parts of our state. I for one enjoy paying my taxes for my land in Chenango county.The taxes on my land is dirt cheap compared to down here. I get enjoyment from the land, a place for my family to enjoy and loads of state land to hunt. Down on Long Isalnad i pay 10 grand a year for a 70x100 feet piece of property with a house and all I get is headaches. 9.5 more years and i will be out of here and move up there with you guys where I belong.
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #7 on: July 03, 2009, 07:45:19 AM »
Charles, I live on long Island as well, Southold out east.  I also own, and live part time, at Oak Hill Farm in the North West Catskills.

I am in the New York City watershead.  New York City dictates what I can and cannot do on my own Delaware County farm.

I'm a Long Island water rat by birth but can't wait till I can move up here full time as well!!
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #8 on: July 03, 2009, 05:31:27 PM »
Jaeger then you like me probably laugh like crazy when you write the check for your upstate taxes. --099-780 --099-780 They are nothing compared to what we pay down here. --7-8-9
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2009, 11:01:33 PM »
yes, land taxes in many parts of Northern NY are low. My taxes here on 108 acreas are less than on 1/3 acea in Mass and my house here is 3 times as large as the Mass house isw. Our daughter lives there now
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #10 on: July 08, 2009, 09:53:23 AM »
are there still restrictions in the original 4 wmu's or is the whole plan scrapped?

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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #11 on: July 10, 2009, 07:59:49 AM »
the original 4 units remain the same. only the plan for new units was scrapped.
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #12 on: July 10, 2009, 08:43:30 AM »
Sounds like to me they are doing what they want no matter what the voters say!
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #13 on: July 10, 2009, 07:43:25 PM »
it is a shame they dont let the deer get bigger than a large dog....you see some large antlered deer in central NY only because their lucky and maybe hide on the posted land....personally I enjoy the hunt instead of just shooting the first thing you see with little spikes unless its the big boy --7-8-9
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Re: new york antler restriction proposal scrapped
« Reply #14 on: July 14, 2009, 08:01:49 AM »
i agree dpd, it would seem to me that you would end up with more deer in the end. more bucks around to breed the does, more ballanced herd . as with the crossbow issue, the vocal minority wins again.
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