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Author Topic: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope  (Read 1019 times)

Offline BoBallistic

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Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« on: July 05, 2018, 02:13:29 PM »
Guys - Did you see where Leupold introduced a 35mm tube scope?? It is their M5C3 3.6-18X x 44mm scope....Wow it runs about $3K for it!!! Ouch...

So which is better, the 1" tube, 30mm tube, 34mm tube or the 35mm tube? Most of my Leupold's are 1" tubes and have served me fine over the years and sent a lot of deer to  the cooler....I also have a bunch or 30mm tube scopes from many other manufacturers....they can really draw in the light...have 8 Leupold's that have 30mm tube, and 4 of them happen to be the VX6...amazing scopes...have an older LPS (Leupold Premium Scope) 2.5-10X x 45mm......and a few VX3 with the first generation 30mm tubes....have Nightforce, Zeiss, Swarovski,Nikon, Konus, S&B, Burris and a few others that I cannot recall now....

About 10 years ago, I was at the range and 3 guys was there (I knew 2 of them) and they were setting up for a 3 gun shoot at the range in a few days...they were trying to decide on the kind of scope to use...they had 6 scopes there laying on a rest...must have been over 15K in scope just laying there....4 of the 6 have 34MM...the first thing I notice was the weight of the scope was much heavier than the 1" or the 30mm tube.....the guy pointed out that that everything is bigger. tube, glass, O-rings, and that adds up to more weight.  Just last year, a younger guy was testing his Labradar Chronograph on his AR style rifles, he had topped both rifles with the Burris Xtreme Tactical scopes on them. Both the scopes had 34mm tubes!! I asked the guy about the weight, and him being a younger type, he still have his full body strength available....he told me that his scope gathers light like crazy and sometimes it is too bright for him....he went on to tell us that he had sunshades for both scopes at home but the added weight makes it a bit clumsy to do a quick sight.....less don't forget the 34mm and 35mm rings are a lot more expensive than the 1" another Ouch!!

Don't know about your guys, but down here in the South, you have seconds to size up a deer and to get the deer in your sight and then pull the trigger...you maybe had 3 seconds to do all of this in.....just ask Split Toe...about 5 or 6 years ago, Split took a buck that he later said that if had more time to size him up he would have let walk, same goes for me too...a lot of deer, would have gotten older if I had the time to size him up, maybe another 10 to 15 seconds!! 

Size does matter - when it comes to weight and the cost of optics.....I think Dutch did a post of this subject a few years ago, not sure.....but with it being the 4th of July, it is time to start going to the range and start with your practice....I have been to the range 4 times this year and will start going at least once every other week if not every week....for those who don't reload, buy you a couple of boxes of different weight bullets for example the 270 Win you can shoot the 130, 140 or 150 gn bullets....go buy a box of each and go to the range and shoot 5 shots each box at 3 different targets..one each for the 130, the 140 and the 150 grain bullets. See which one shoots the best (has the smallest group).....for those reloaders now is the time to check out some new and different loads...some of those new powders that Hodgdon or some other manufacturer.....

   

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Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #1 on: July 05, 2018, 02:31:13 PM »
i told you i bought a new Tract Toric 3x15x42 1" tube this year. while talking to one of the Jon's at Tract, he made a great point. unless you are hunting after or before legal shooting light, the 1" tube on a quality glass scope will more than get you there. also, the front objective has way more impact on light gathering than the tube size. (we could argue this, but folks a lot smarter than me explained the science to me and i believe them)

if you are yote or pig hunting, that's a different story. gather all the light possible for dark thirty shooting, but start w/ quality glass then go from there

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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #2 on: July 05, 2018, 06:36:02 PM »
Sounds like Leupold is going after bragging rights more than anything with the 35mm tube - would expect that for most of us the advantage over a 34 or even a 30mm tube is hard to actually identify and then convince yourself that the added cost & weight is justified.  Of course for a while at least they'll also enjoy the revenue from the sale of 35mm rings.  I'm pretty much in Yari's camp on this although I did finally pick up a 30mm tube some months ago for a future AR build - bought it mainly because it was a great buy on a nice scope, wasn't really shopping specifically for a bigger tube but once I get it mounted & shoot it some I might be convinced it's the way to go.
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #3 on: July 06, 2018, 03:22:15 PM »
Mad - Vortex, Valdata Zeiss, Sightron, Ade, and a few others have had their 35mm tube on the market for a few years now...I remember holding the Vortex Razor with its 34mm tube about 5 or 6 years ago.....I think this is the first 35mm tube that Leupold has introduced in the market...have you seen the price.....big ouch!!

When I was growing up you could figure about 25% of the cost of the rifle you would spend on the scope...boy have times changed.....now scopes could easily be more expensive than the rifles are!!! back in the 80's you could figure about 35 to 45%.....heck I remember my first Leupold VX2 back in 72 cost a whopping $80 and the rifle I put it own cost $125...with the $25 rings and base it ran a total of $237 (that includes the 3% sales tax that they have in GA at the time.....
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #4 on: August 30, 2018, 10:12:55 PM »
My rule growing up was the scope should cost as much, even a bit more, than your rifle. I dont have a $3K rifle so my Leupold 50mm 3x9 from 1996 will have to suffuce. I did go a bit crazy with binos however. Swarvoski SLC 10x 42 and CL 8x30
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #5 on: September 04, 2018, 06:22:53 PM »
   I only own 2 scopes with 30 mm tubes and I bought them on sale for great prices. The reason for the 30 mm tubes for me was to get more adjustment in the scope for long range shooting.

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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2020, 06:56:00 AM »
Just sent one of my Leupold VX3 - 4.5-14X x 40mm with the AO at the objective lens end (not the side focus type). Every since I have had it the power ring was extremely hard to turn either up or down. It was so hard that you had to take the rifle off your shoulder and get into position just to turn the power down or up....It was mounted on one of the 3 Remington 700 Varmints that I put the Mag Well Kits into them.....

Got an email from Leupold yesterday saying that it was delivered and that is it....but knowing Leupold like I do, they will adjust the power ring and send it back to me next week...figuring the bigger they get the slower they get.....but got it in 2007 and now just getting around to sending it back....some 13 years later....it was made in 2006 according to the serial number....

Weill let you know when it get back and if they did replace it or repair it....put a Vortex CF II 3-9X on the rifle, bore sighted put a Vortex cant level on it and it should be ready for the range.....
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2020, 07:06:07 PM »
i'm sure they will take care of it. Leo is a very good company
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #8 on: March 06, 2020, 06:19:49 AM »
"We have received your product and estimate warranty service to be completed in approximately 7 weeks from the date your product arrived."

This is the response I got back from Leupold in an email from them. Just got it this morning and they it took it a week to get to Leupold and they have had the scope only a couple of days.....I was figuring a few days and then it would be back in my hands in a week or so....but nothing like 7 Weeks!! Holy Cow....all to adjust the power ring so it would be very hard to  turn.......
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #9 on: March 06, 2020, 11:15:07 AM »
busy time after hunting season? maybe a high ball estimate so you don't call every day? maybe a plant shut down because of corona virus?

i would think they now have to sterilize everything coming in, just in case. i think mine took 3-4 weeks last year and it was a full overhaul 
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2020, 08:45:35 AM »
Yari - I was explaining that the "just in time" type inventory that most big manufacturers do these days is a double edge sword.....these days in a almost pandemic mode, your lack of inventory will shut a big plant down in one day but does require the space, lay down area, or man power that an stock inventory would create, especially man power....

But I don't have any fears of the virus at all being located down here in the deep south and live in no-where, Tn....and I am not worried about the virus being on a any packages we get from Beaverton, Oregon (Leupold home office). Just the other day the wife ordered something many months ago off of Amazon and sure enough a month later, it arrive from China, what part I don't know.....but if I do come down with Corna-19, I will be sure to let you folks know....LOL.....

For now, am looking forward to getting the Leupold scope back and placing it on the "pile" of scope that I have....this will be the second Leupold that is in the pile of scopes along with two Nikons, a couple of Vortex CF, a Zeiss Conquest, a Konus, a Sightron, a Simmons 8 Pt scope (will use this Simmons as trade bait for a better scope).....

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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2020, 10:23:48 AM »
Yeah Bo, with everyone so obsessed with "Just In Time" production, any ripple like a natural disaster, virus, train wreck, etc can set the string of dominoes tipping over and create a gap in production for quite some time.  I suspect this latest coronavirus thing will get a lot of companies rethinking their strategies with respect to minimal inventory practices - it's all gone a little overboard in my opinion, but that seems to be the way corporate America does things, slam that pendulum all the way in one direction or the other rather than finding a nice happy place in the middle.  Dang I'm enjoying retirement and not having to deal with so much of that stupidity!!!

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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #12 on: March 09, 2020, 07:34:53 AM »
Mad - I know what you mean...we (all of us) could talk about "just in time" inventory control for hours and hours, we are just skimming the surfaces...I am sure that each factory has it's own set of challenges....

I agree - it is still over blow despite the market sell offs....today and in the future it will be OK the market settles out....my wife is a retired RN and she tells me that when the weather warms up then this virus will go away (will it return in the winter of 2021 or ??) that is unknown at this time....

But as long as my Leupold Scope gets back to me then it will be OK....probably in March of this year will go ahead and buy the Savage 220 the bolt action 20 gauge that only take slugs....going to the range soon....LOL....Yea the rat race can it can claim younger victims, these 2 rats/hamsters (you and I) have gotten off the hamster wheel, but it is still turning going faster than ever...LOL...

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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #13 on: May 19, 2020, 11:13:19 AM »
Wow - Were to begin....keep looking at those 34 and 35 mm tube scopes and they are certainly expensive....I too put a Tract Toric 3-15X x 44mm, 30mm tube on one of my Bergara more than a year ago, and it is certainly worth the money I spent on it....also looked at my Leupold VX5 and VX6...think I have 6 total (4 VX6 and 2 of the VX5)...all of them are great scopes....but my limit is 1000 per scope, no more, even a NightForce SHV scope I paid $875 ($100 off due to end of the season)

But I am not going to pay over 3000 for a scope, heck I am not going to pay for a scope that cost more than most of the cars I have driven in the past...wow!! but if you go over 30mm you have to pay the cost of going big, and the bigger they are the heavier they are...for a bench gun that OK to spend 10K for and get it set up for the range....600, 1000 and every longer !! But for us hunters out here, the smaller the better....

For example, Split Toe has an extremely accurate Browning 280 and it has a Leupold VX3 2.5-8X x 36mm, 1 inch tube....it's amazing how accurate this gun is....have seen Split Toe shoot it and he is amazing with it.....

And I don't think anybody can't go wrong with a 3-9X x 40mm scope but keep it on the lowest power setting you can !! for the field of view. I know that from experience. I remember that I had a Leupold 6X x 40mm fixed power scope on a Ruger 1A in 7x57 when two not one but two monsters walked in directly behind me no more than 10 yards from where I was hunting in one week....I could not fire at the first one by the time I got my scope up and on him, I could have shot him in the hind quarter but he was not in focus!! The second one was also fuzzy, I could have shot him at the last moment, the first one happen on a Tuesday, the second one happen on the following Friday....I got rid of them both and went to a more conventional 3-9X x 40 mm, not just one that one but for all 5 of them, put a Leupold 3-9X x 40mm on all of them...so I learned from my mistakes....

But again if you go big, be prepared to pay for it.....
 
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Re: Leupold New 35mm Mark 5 Scope
« Reply #14 on: May 19, 2020, 01:45:02 PM »
bo- i think i the expensive stuff is 99% the guy saying i can spend more then you. it doesn't have anything to do w/ the quality of the hunter. IMO

FYI- i poked a skunk at 280 yards a couple weeks ago. i didn't realize until after i shot that i had it on 3X. i should have cranked it up a bit. it was a quick shot before he got to cover. i guess what i'm saying is, do we 'need' 15-20X scopes. not for most hunting situations. they are just there if you want them
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