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Offline yari

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disturbing info
« on: October 12, 2015, 05:22:52 PM »
a friend was bear hunting w/ a guide in WI. they got to talking about the lack of deer. the guide had some disturbing info.

back 10-15 years ago the glorious WI DNR allowed hunters to buy 5 doe tags PER DAY for $2 each. this was about the time locals were shooting 25-35 deer per year off the corner of my property for 3 years in a row. I knew there was something odd about it. there's no way they were processing the deer before they spoiled during the hotter years.

here's the kicker. a lot of locals were feeding the deer to their hunting dogs.   some of the bear guides have 5-15 dogs. at $2 each it was cheap dog food. shortly after this the wolves were introduced. the combo was devastating.

does this urk anyone else? it really strikes a cord. just because the DNR messes up the laws doesn't mean you should kill for the sake of killing. right?
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #1 on: October 12, 2015, 05:42:57 PM »
Amen Yari, but the world is full of short sighted and selfish humans, so unfortunately what you're describing sounds quite likely. 
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« Reply #2 on: October 12, 2015, 07:49:21 PM »
Wow!
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« Reply #3 on: October 12, 2015, 08:10:42 PM »
Too bad there isn't some kind of legal recourse for such gross negligence.  And to pour salt in the wound the people responsible for that negligence were being paid by you Yari...and every other tax paying, license purchasing, sportsman in Wi.  I would hope they are not still in office.
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #4 on: October 12, 2015, 08:35:42 PM »
I remember those days, 2 $ doe tags. Then I remember people complaining just a couple of short years later why they weren't seeing any deer. All I could say was remember when you were shooting all those doe!

I could keep going on but I get frustrated thinking about it just like yari. It's sad we can have a great deer heard but it always seems to get mismanaged one way or another.

We can blame the DNR but we can blame ourselves the hunter as well, for it wasn't about the hunt but more about just to go out and kill something. I know very few families that can eat 5 deer a year or more.

I hope those days are long gone and we learnd from it.

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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #5 on: October 12, 2015, 08:53:45 PM »
Amen barkey. Sounds to me like some serious efforts need to go into recovery.
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #6 on: October 12, 2015, 09:43:01 PM »
Some folks seem to show little sense, bet the same people shooting that number of deer are the same ones complaining about the lack of deer
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #7 on: October 13, 2015, 09:33:07 AM »
I agree with everyone here that is rough right there. Mis-management all the way IMO, Just stupid.
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #8 on: October 13, 2015, 09:52:51 AM »
The DNR is a government agency, and we all know how well they work. They start out with good intentions but government corruption sneaks in and they no longer are focused on the original goal, they are swayed to much by other outside influences.
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #9 on: October 13, 2015, 04:34:23 PM »
russ- you know gov't workers don't get fired.

I was told back then that the insurance agencies were responsible for the $2 tags. DNR caved to too many car collisions. i'm sure there were political donations also.

also, they 'hunters' participating in the killings were just doing it to kill. I don't get it. what a waste 
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #10 on: October 13, 2015, 07:36:58 PM »
In IL our DNR in recent years has done a lot of the same things, more than likely with plenty of coaching from State Farm & others.  Current director seems to have his head on straight - let's hope he can stay the course for a while.  The overabundance of tags for many years coupled with a few bad years of EHD and a significant growth in our 'yote population has our deer here locally on the ropes.  Thought things were picking up in the last year, but reports I'm getting from bow hunters thus fall in October don't support it. 

One other thing which was a side effect of all the tags available - - I believe we ended up with quite a few "hunters" bagging every deer they could & selling the meat as sausage & jerky.  I've had a number of people who know I hunt approach in recent years to tell me they'd like to buy some meat from me - they get a really worried look on their face when I tell them it's illegal to do that.  Hard to believe how uninformed the masses are.
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Re: disturbing info
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2015, 03:12:10 PM »
Money & Politics unfortunately are the biggest influence on policies. The DNR back then was under fire (excuse the pun) by the Insurance Companies to reduce the number of deer/vehicle accidents. Well as anyone travelling Wisconsin roads can attest this has NOT helped. Most accidents caused by deer go unreported for fear of rate hikes. The accidents that are reported are because of either extensive body damage or bodily injury or both.

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