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Offline ligpd

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Any help??
« on: April 18, 2012, 09:54:30 AM »
What makes a turkey a tom and not a jake. I have read that if it has a beard 5 inches long it is a tom, but don't seem to find any other information to this. What does everyone here think.

Also what are your thought as to what is a "trophy" like beard length, weight, & spurs? Just trying to learn some more information on turkeys since I am so new to this. 

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Re: Any help??
« Reply #1 on: April 18, 2012, 10:00:56 AM »
there is an unofficial boone and crockett scoring type system. you can google it. i haven't looked it up in years. it takes spur length, beard and wt into consideration.

a jake is a year old tom. normally a jake in the midwest has a beard 2-4" long.

a trophy is in the eyes of the hunter. any beard over 11" is a dandy in my book. any spurs over 1 1/4" are an older bird

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Re: Any help??
« Reply #2 on: April 18, 2012, 10:05:23 AM »
I consider a jake 1.5 year old turkey, I call them nubbies because they usually have beards less than five inches and nubs for spurs, hence the name, nubby....  I don't know the exact terminology for a jake and a tom, but a first year bird is a jake to me.  Their fans are not full like a tom either... the outside tailfeathers are usually shorter than the middle 6 or 8 also and they have a weak gobble or they key key...

A trophy bird to me is a unusual turkey or a big old mean turkey... 1 1/4 inch spurs and up is a big bird... my biggest turkey weighed 23 pounds but was only a three year old bird, but my biggest spurred turkey had 1 7/8" spurs but not a real big beard (10 1/2")    My biggest beard is 13 inches.

I consider a two year old gobbler and up a bird to shoot... I don't shoot Jakes, I have in the past, but I won't anymore, regardless of the circumstances
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Re: Any help??
« Reply #3 on: April 18, 2012, 10:13:47 AM »
Any Mature Bird is a trophy to me.
Some states a Jake is view as having a beard less then 3 inches.
I think to be registered in the record book with the NWTF a Eastern or Rio must weigh at least 22 lb's, 10 Inch Beard, and 1.5" Spurs.
Check the NWTF for good info
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Re: Any help??
« Reply #4 on: April 18, 2012, 10:23:31 AM »
The fan is full on a Tom and not on a jake
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Re: Any help??
« Reply #5 on: April 18, 2012, 11:24:17 AM »

a trophy is in the eyes of the hunter.

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Re: Any help??
« Reply #6 on: April 18, 2012, 04:54:12 PM »
they all taste the same      ##$%#111   
turkey season was a wet one now on to deer hunting in October





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Re: Any help??
« Reply #7 on: April 18, 2012, 06:11:57 PM »
When trying to tell in the brush or a growing field I look to the beard but here in the North the Fan mainly...on a Jake the middle section of feathers are all taller that the feathers on either side...and the beard is short....but...if you see a short bearded Tom here in NY or many northern state you could still may have an older bird...snow and ice and beard rot takes it's tole..... and spurs are hard to see in brush and tall grass...thus the fan sighting is needed...example of older bird with not so old looking beard in pic....notice how thick the beard started out...but damage shortened it...

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Re: Any help??
« Reply #8 on: April 18, 2012, 06:22:30 PM »
to me any turkey is a trophy, but I am not an experienced turkey hunter
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Re: Any help??
« Reply #9 on: April 18, 2012, 08:33:17 PM »
Thanks for all help!! For me, since I have never shot a turkey yet, well kinda, I am ready to shoot any thing legal. Like I said I have only been turkey hunting one year and that was for my son to get one, which he did. I also agree that the "Trophy" is in the eyes of the beholder. If your happy with it, I'm happy with it (if you know what I mean) However my son needs to take one before I will pull the trigger myself.

The kinda part above is because I did shoot a jake a few years ago that kept getting into a major intersection of three major highways and we would chase it off and he would just keep coming back. Major traffic jam and almost caused several accidents. After almost two weeks of chasing this jake off and just to have him return in a few hours, everyday, the DNR told me to shoot it. Which me and my partner did. I know, that's not hunting, but.   

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Re: Any help??
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2012, 08:55:31 PM »
you have all the good answers here... @--0--0101 on your turkey quest
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Re: Any help??
« Reply #11 on: April 19, 2012, 05:15:54 AM »
My first bird was a Jake and I was/am very proud of it...first  male bird that I was able to call into range after two years of trying...and a fine eating bird he was @--0--0137

 

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