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Title: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 01, 2008, 11:25:40 PM
I've shot both on the range and could tell no difference in the performance of my muzzleloader.  I do prefer to take pellets with me during the hunt for the ease of quick reloading.

What is your preference and why?
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 02, 2008, 05:20:54 AM
Personally I haven't tried using the powder.  I use the pellets because of ease of having a second shot ready...which hopefully I don't need.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 03, 2008, 07:03:39 AM
You can't load fast enough for a second shot.  I use Jim Shockey Gold pellets. I also use Power Belt that is actually .50 cal instead of a sabot that is .45 cal with a plastic wrap on it.  I believe I use it in 325 gr but it might be 345.
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Post by: [Blocked] on August 03, 2008, 07:11:11 AM
I prefer a powder, I use 777 with 250 grain TC shock waves deadly combination.
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Post by: [Blocked] on August 05, 2008, 10:20:07 PM
I use the pellets because it's always the same and it's fast to reload if needed
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Post by: [Blocked] on August 05, 2008, 10:21:55 PM
Pellets.  Fast and easy.
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Post by: [Blocked] on August 06, 2008, 11:46:51 AM
I use 777 powder.I have never tried the pellets and the old saying if it ain't broke don't fix it.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 07, 2008, 02:32:02 PM
I use pellets.
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Post by: [Blocked] on August 07, 2008, 07:11:05 PM
Pellets, for the ease of loading.
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Post by: [Blocked] on August 08, 2008, 11:59:18 AM
 pyrodex 50/50 pellets with hornady 250gr sst-ml sabot  ;D
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 19, 2008, 01:08:43 AM
I use ffg in my 50x209 Omega and fffg in my 45x209 Encore , I do take pellets in my quick load , but you can play with the loose powder to find that golden load  .
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 19, 2008, 06:30:53 AM
Neither... I own an old percussion cap smoke pole, not an inline.
Getting hard to find black powder around here and the price is prohibitive due to shipping costs added on above the normal costs.

Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 19, 2008, 12:16:17 PM
pellets are quick and acurate
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 19, 2008, 04:09:21 PM
pellets quicker and cleaner triple7 not as messy clean with hot water
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 23, 2008, 03:23:08 PM
I like loose powder. Less expensive, you can weigh your charges to 1/10 of a grain, and you can use whatever amout your scale will throw. Within the safety guidlines set by your rifle's manufacturer of course. Way more flexibility than pellets.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 24, 2008, 08:36:52 AM
777 pellets.
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Post by: [Blocked] on August 24, 2008, 09:38:10 AM
Pellets.  Fast and easy.

Agree with Puddle.


Team Puddles2!!!   --9-8-7  --9-8-7  --9-8-7
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 25, 2008, 07:18:01 PM
You can't load fast enough for a second shot.  I use Jim Shockey Gold pellets. I also use Power Belt that is actually .50 cal instead of a sabot that is .45 cal with a plastic wrap on it.  I believe I use it in 325 gr but it might be 345.

You never got a second shot with a smokeploe? Pellets for me.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 26, 2008, 08:10:52 PM
pyrodex 50gr pellets and TC 225gr Shockwaves.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 02, 2008, 09:02:37 AM
Pyrodex pellets and 295 gr. power belt bullet.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 05, 2008, 11:03:17 PM
It depends on if I'm using my traditions or my inline. I use both
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 06, 2008, 03:33:07 AM
You can't load fast enough for a second shot.  I use Jim Shockey Gold pellets. I also use Power Belt that is actually .50 cal instead of a sabot that is .45 cal with a plastic wrap on it.  I believe I use it in 325 gr but it might be 345.

That's my story and I'm sticking to it.  THEN I watch Monster Bucks from Realtree and watch Jeff Foxworthy take 3, count them... 3 SHOT WITH A MUZZLELOADER TO HARVEST THIS NICE LOOKING BUCK. It was kind of fun to watch him start a bullet with the ramrod.  He gets the job done but I was embarrassed for you southern boys if this is the best he can do... He got down out of the tree saying he had done run out of bullets..
NJ %^$^
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 06, 2008, 06:35:00 AM
NJ is the one where he had to go back to his truck to get more loads , really funny show . ;D
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 07, 2008, 05:53:11 AM
I like loose powder. Less expensive, you can weigh your charges to 1/10 of a grain, and you can use whatever amout your scale will throw. Within the safety guidlines set by your rifle's manufacturer of course. Way more flexibility than pellets.

Loose 777 for me for all the same reasons.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 07, 2008, 06:27:15 AM
Sundowner, Yes it was that show..

NJ %^$^
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 09, 2008, 08:34:06 AM
Pellets no measuring, easy to carry, load fast. ML has same load and performance each shot.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 09, 2008, 05:25:19 PM
I have used both powder and pellets and always return to the powder. I shoot 44 cal Winchester silver tips as their expansion rate is geared for whitetails. They never pass through and really expand and do damage. They are 210 grain 44 caliber in a sabot. I readily agree that the pellets are faster to use and easier to clean but for years I have used good old fashion GOEX in FFFg. A leading reloading book suggested this years ago and 100 grains of triple F GOEX works really great in my Remington in-line. I know FFF is for pistols but you will not believe how well it works in the long gun. All guns like different loads and different bullets and taking the time to work out the details pays off big in the end. It is much easier to tweak you loads with powder than pellets. Just my experience, good luck with yours.
Rick
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 12, 2008, 09:15:42 PM
Three Pyrodex Pellets with a .50 caliber aerotip bullet
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 25, 2008, 02:48:32 PM
Pellets less chance of over charge.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 25, 2008, 05:39:54 PM
 Loose powder , less expensive and easy to load when in premeasured tubes.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 26, 2008, 06:26:21 AM
I guess it all boils down to. Use one of them and get to the woods.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 26, 2008, 04:51:55 PM
 I have been using 2/50 gr. pellets of 777 but I am trying 110gr./777 powder and 245 shockwaves this year.  Haven't liked a lot of the bullets tried many, they seem to blow threw to easy so trying the shockwaves to see if they will stay in the boiler room and do quick damage.  Just hate walking more than a couple of yards to retrieve the game. You know the saying, "One shot. One kill".
Good luck, George
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 28, 2008, 03:29:16 PM
777 Pellets, #13 cleaner. Quick and easy
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 28, 2008, 03:40:46 PM
I use pellets for the speed and ease. I would not be against powder and I will try it soon. I have been using Pyrodex but am told that it is very dirty and corrosive. I plan on using triple 7 in the future. Looked into the Jim Shockey stuff from American Powders but was told it discharges a poisonous gas when fired.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on October 15, 2008, 05:26:54 PM
I'm pretty impaitent when it comes to dealing with the powder, I like the ease and less mess the pellets provide.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on October 16, 2008, 09:00:11 AM
 -0078    777 pellets.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on October 22, 2008, 05:14:26 PM
  A factory rep at TC told me loose powder had a better burn than pellets so I switched to american pioneer by Jim Shocky and I love it.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on October 31, 2008, 02:16:11 PM
 I use two 50 gr 777 pellets and a 300 gr T/C shock wave in a T/C Omega, that's what I shot a doe and a coyote with already this year, last weekend. reloading is a breeze, but normally not fast enough to get off a second shot.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on November 02, 2008, 08:47:24 PM
Powder...it's more accurate and you can custom dial what your gun likes.  My TC Omega likes 120 grains of 777 with the 338 grain Platinum Powerbelt bullets.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on November 03, 2008, 06:50:19 PM
i still shoot powder, but when i run out ill switch to the pellets. other guys use the pellets they have no problems i shoot powder i have no problems, use up what you have then get more. the only advantage powder may have is you can measure in 5 grain weights and tailor a load for a gun. the new inlines all shoot pretty well with 150 grains but the old style hawkens and the like still have a pet load
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on November 29, 2008, 11:09:15 AM
If you are just using your muzzleloader a little bit pellets are the way to go there fast and easy to use you don't need to have a powder measure.  Great for the people who don't have time to shoot a lot.

For the hardcore hunter powder is probably better because you can experiment with diffrent powder ranges. your not limited to 50 grain loads.  Every gun shoots diffrent and if you want to find your perfect load, which could required lets say 120 grains of powder, you can't do it with pellets.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on November 29, 2008, 02:44:31 PM
Jim Shockey/American pioneer gold pellets
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on December 01, 2008, 08:34:13 AM
 -0078  I like the pellets like alot of the other guys cause they're quick and easy. -0078
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on March 16, 2009, 09:14:05 PM
Pellets
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Post by: [Blocked] on March 16, 2009, 09:19:29 PM
I like pellets because of the ease of loading and carrying, but powder would allow you to taylor a load to your individual rifle. hard to make up a pellet load of 105 grams  --099-780
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on March 20, 2009, 07:35:37 AM
I am with you ZOS, I really like the pellets for the easy quick loading but after testing, my encore is most accurate with 135 grains of powder than with pellets. I can not get to that pellets.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 07, 2009, 09:31:18 AM
I'm new to black powder hunting and currently shoot a T/C Triumph and I load with 2 pellets of 777 and 250 gr. bullets.  I have read so much about using 3 pellets (150 gr. powder) with the 250 gr. bullet for better accuracy.  However, I was told that there is very little difference in using 2 pellets than 3 pellets because by the time the 3rd pellet burns, the shot is already out of the barrel.  I'd like to hear some opinions on this, please.  Please e-mail me with your thoughts as, I don't want to "tie this board up" with my dumb question.   Thanks bunches!
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 07, 2009, 09:43:06 AM
Never a dumb question. That is why we are here. That is why questions are asked. My answer to you is take the time shoot your gun often with the different loads and make the decision what works best for you. You might find with the three pellets it is harder for you to hold on target or the results don't change much and you would be wasting money with loading the third pellet. Let us know how it works out. Great Question.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 07, 2009, 10:05:40 AM
Thank you, wwwhitetail.....I thought of doing that.  I guess I was hoping for a short-cut, which is the wrong way to go, I know.  I just joined this talkhunting site and already am addicted to it!  After reading some of the posts, I'm giving some serious thought to buying a T/C Encore.  My hunting buddy has one and loves it so, I may just let my wife shoot my Triumph.  Either way, I'll do as you suggested and try 3 pellets to see if there is a difference.
Thanks again, sir.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 08, 2009, 02:44:10 AM
Try 3 if you want but unless your shooting at 200 yards 2 are plenty , you have the same barrel as the Encore at 28" and T/C love ShockWaves , in fact they are built to shoot them . I have both the Encore and an Omega you should really like your T/C .
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 08, 2009, 06:04:52 AM
You may also want to try several differant bullet type and weights along with differant charges. Each gun will shoot a little differant even if they are the same make and models of gun. I shoot a T/C Encore and my best load is 120 grains of 777, loose powder, with a 250 gr. Barnes Expander, but I will also add that the T/C Shock Wave are very good to use also.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 14, 2009, 09:44:59 PM
I have tried both powder and pellets and for me the powder worked better.  My gun gets it best group at 95 grains and I can't get that with the pellets.  My dad uses the pellets in his gun and he gets real good results with it.  As far as a quick reload goes, I use speed loaders with my powder without any problems.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 15, 2009, 07:30:55 PM
I have tried pellets, powder and traditional black powder. Here in Idaho you can only use loose powder during the muzzle loader only seasons. Even though it is a lot more work to clean than the pyrodex or 777 to clean. I prefer Black Powder.
73's
ke7cjw
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 16, 2009, 06:33:37 AM
Here in WA we have to use exposed ignition and open sights so for hunting I use my Hawkens -so loose 777. For just fun shooting I use 777 pellets in my T/C. IMO each gun has a 'sweet' load. Plus it is just fun to experamint.



Dan
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 20, 2009, 12:35:22 PM
Only loose blackpowder in mine. Cheaper, reliable, taylor fit a load to the rifle and cleans up easy.
If a person needs a quick second loading...I carry pre-measured glass vials in my bag during hunting season.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on April 23, 2009, 06:45:28 PM
pellets all the way
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Post by: [Blocked] on May 04, 2009, 01:55:38 PM
I prefer powder as you can use loads between 100 & 150 grains. I use 120 grains in my A & G in-line and TC Black Mountain Magnum. I don't find any reason to use more at the ranges I hunt. If I were expecting maximum range shots, I can always pump it up. With pellets, they are fast to load but, it is one extreme or the other in power.

I have been using Shockey Gold (American Alliance). I have tried black powder which, was a mess to clean up. I also tried Triple 7. It was better but, not as easy to deal with as the AA. In addition, you do not get the build up in the barrel which makes it more difficult to load.

Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on May 14, 2009, 07:05:53 AM
Triple 7 and TC Shockwave's --it is the most accurate in my TC Pro Hunter and Nikkon Omega scope and I don't spill any during a reload!--09--0
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on May 14, 2009, 06:04:40 PM
powder for cap lock of flint and pellets for in-line easier and faster unless u preload with fast loads..I really like pellets
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Post by: [Blocked] on May 19, 2009, 11:35:43 AM
i shoot pyrodex select powder and goex fff black powder, both shoot the same per volume.  never used pellets, i shoot 90 grains and didnt want tohave to use three 30 gr pellets you get 100 per pack so 33 shots its hard to pick the right combination of powder and bullet if you cant change the powder by 5 grains a time, with aquickload full of pre measured powder you can reload just as fast as pellets and can tailor the load for target hunting etc...
i like the versatility of the powder
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on May 19, 2009, 12:11:39 PM
I have used both, started w/ powder, but never really got the accuracy that I have achieved w/ the pellets. I have gotten many of my friends started on the pellets and it just seems to be a no brainer w/ todays modern inline muzzeloaders. I shoot a 50 cal. and always use 150 gr (3 50 gr pellets) w/ either 325 or 350 gr powerbelt bullets. Now w/ the BC scopes shooting 250 yards is no problem but
I would strongly recommend using a range finder when trying to shoot at these distances. The pellets do seem to burn cleaner and it
does make it quicker and easier for follow up shots. Another imp point is to ALWAYS! use 209 primers or larger musket caps when using pellets.
You can convert most guns to either,but preferably the 209 is your  best option. Whatever you choose to use you have to shoot alot and find the best combo of powder an bullet for each particular gun.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on May 19, 2009, 10:52:45 PM
I think it's pretty much a preference thing. The pellets would be much easier probably, but I use powder. I carry several speed loaders ready to go and have never had a problem reloading quickly! Just my preference!
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on May 21, 2009, 12:59:08 PM
Blackhorn 209 loose powder took my Encore 209x50 from 4 inch groups at 50 yards to 3 shots that can be covered with a quarter!  I tried 3 other kinds of powder & at least 10 different bullet combinations.  This stuff is awesome!!!
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Post by: [Blocked] on June 05, 2009, 09:08:32 PM
pellets all the way for convience
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Post by: [Blocked] on June 16, 2009, 08:50:35 PM
Triple 7 pellets have been great for me......real easy to use.
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Post by: [Blocked] on June 17, 2009, 08:56:12 AM
I have a question.  I've heard that by using 3 pellets instead of 2 really doesn't make much of a difference.  It would seem that by the time that 3rd pellet is ignited, the bullet has already reached the end of the barrel.  A buddy of mine said he checked it with a chronograph and there was only a 50 fps difference so, why bother using 3 pellets?
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on August 17, 2009, 07:39:24 PM
I use two 50 grain pellets of Triple 7 because of convience and faster reloading if necessary.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 25, 2009, 04:27:36 PM
after reading all of the replies, I have not seen the reason that I use pellet instead of powder listed in any of the posts.  It must be that I am the oddball of the bunch, but sometimes I don't shoot my rifle when I am in the woods, so I simply unload it before I get to the house.  The pellets are easier to unload out of my CVA in-line.  Using powder would be much messier and I could easily spill the powder onto te ground. It may be a simple idea, but that is my reason for not using loose powder.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on September 26, 2009, 03:11:03 PM
I'm no expert of muzzleloaders, but seems to me that most of the gun test I have read on ML, the authors seem to prefer loose powder over the pellets, as loose powder was more accurate in their tests.  I use Pyrodex, and I premeasure all my loads, to facilitate loading while hunting or target practicing.  I can see where pellets are easier to use, but they are much more expensive than loose powder.
Title: Re: Powder or Pellets?
Post by: [Blocked] on December 18, 2009, 10:13:32 PM
pellots, faster loading, easier to clean