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Title: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 17, 2019, 09:30:50 AM
I was meeting an old friend at a Cracker Barrel yesterday morning for Breakfast and after eating we went up to his favorite Pawn Shop....this is not ordinary Pawn Shop, they are have pawn and half firearms store....half the store is new and use firearms store.....so they have a Christensen Arms 6.5 PRC....the MSRP on it was $1999.00 and got it for $1749.00. With all the darn TN sales tax (almost 10%) plus background check out the door price cost me $1922.....

Does anybody own one of these rifles?? How good are they...have been reading them and when I got my 26 Nosler, got a Nosler Liberty rifle, instead of the Christensen Arm Mesa Line. The Nosler Liberty is almost as good as my Nosler TGR in 300 WSM that shoots under one inch groups at 200 yards....yea, under 1/2 MOA....but I did work with it because I took the rifle on Safari in South Africa.

The 6.5 PRC is a Hornady design and is about 200 fps faster than the 6.5 CM which I have that caliber in a Savage 10 BA Stealth....it is a shooter as well.....so as I am tweaking the gun room after the flood, have another new rifle to mount and scope for and one more to find the right load for....so we will see, but first things first the Shilen-Savage in 260 is my top priority and this should be a shooter as well....hopefully it will be as good as my Coopers and Blaser R93......

Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 17, 2019, 10:06:58 AM
you crack me up Bo. you buy a new rifle and the ask if anyone owns one and then "how good are they".  --099-780 i love it.

that change you found in the cushions during the flood came in handy  @--0--0105
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 17, 2019, 12:16:06 PM
Yari - Now that I look back on the post, I can see you in the floor laughing....yea it is sort of ironic isn't it.....I know the Christensen Rifle Shoot good, but was wondering about the 6.5 PRC round...it looks awesome, and it is about 200 FPS faster than the 6.5 CM....and it is a little fatter than the 6.5 CM is not by much.....have been studying every since it come out and last put an order in at Midway for one box of ammo (143 gn ELD-X) and 40 pieces of brass for it.....have to make a determination on a scope for it so I ordered 30mm rings, I have several 30mm scope laying around but a nice Leupold VX6 2-12X x 42mm would be nice setting on it.....

I know the rifle shoots great, the guy I bought my 26 Nosler was telling me that most of the guys was using the Ridgeline over the Nosler Liberty.....I have been studying the 30 PRC for about a year now.....so this should be interesting....Will post pictures of after I get it set up......

So has anybody own a 6.5 PRC caliber?? if so How do you like the 6.5.....

Hope this helps....
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 01:56:47 AM
With this fledgling new round, for the best performance, I think the best way is to reload it...placed orders for Redding Dies and Brass and ammo box (MTM) for at least 50 rounds for it and the order will be here next week...did find in my work box a new short one piece picatinny scope base from Leupold that I will use......

Now the work begins, not only work about 6 hours in the gun room today unpacking boxes and tweaking the arrangement, but now have a bunch of projects that I need to attend to......will spend a few hours trying to solve those problems.....

I will be studying the 6.5 PRC which so far that they (who ever they are) this caliber a long range caliber...sure, will be using the 140 to 147 gn pills and was looking last night already have a bunch of bullets that fall within that weight range from the 6.5 Grendel and the 6.5 Creedmoor that I already have....but with reloading you can really tweak the round....

Bo

Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 07:18:35 AM
Decided on Putting a Leupold VX-5 3-15X x 44mm, 30mm tube, on the Christensen Arms 6.5 PRC....Should be here next Thursday...Saved over $100 by getting it off Amazon instead of Midway.....my first choice was Midway but for over $100...decided on Amazon...the sales tax was the issue......
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 08:45:51 AM
Christensen carries a very strong reputation, don't know anything about that PRC chambering but at 200 FPS beyond the CM, I suspect it will be a bit of a challenge from a barrel life perspective if you end up shooting it a lot. 

Glad to hear you're back in the saddle again Bo - that might be the longest dry spell between gun purchases for you since I've been on this forum!

 @--0--0133
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 08:51:18 AM
 ##$%#15 but one day can't count as a dry spell in my eyes    ##$%#12


well it will shoot like this   ##$%#113  or like this    --09--0 is my guess
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 10:07:52 AM
bo-now you got me chuckling again. you bought another Leo? what about the poor orphan Leo's w/o a home you already have? don't they need a home? @--0--0117

i'm just busting your chops @--0--0105 I get it. new gun should have a new scope

enjoy
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 07:36:21 PM
Madgomer ....Yes, only two so far this year but that will likely go to 3 or 4 this year....Got to get me a Bergara B14 (~$950) in 6.5 Creedmoor, a Blaser R93 Stock (~$2000) for starters. Am looking at 6mm Rem, maybe vintage? and always on the look out for a Ruger No.1V in 280 Rem, it is a varmint/heavy barrel configuration....they only made it for a couple of years...

Bo 
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 07:45:24 PM
Not familiar with it nor do I hunt out west.

I dug this up:

 The 6.5 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) is a relatively new long-range cartridge developed by Hornady. According to their team, the round has been “designed to achieve the highest levels of accuracy, flat trajectory and extended range performance in a sensibly designed compact package”. The use of moderate powder charges helps create a cartridge that is accurate and enjoys a reasonable barrel life without heavy recoil. Often represented as an attempt to improve on the wildly popular 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC is a well-balanced chambering suitable for both hunters and competition shooters.
Those who choose to shoulder a rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC should enjoy the high velocities and long-range potential possible with the short-action round. Hornady claims a muzzle velocity of 2,910 FPS from their 26” test barrel with a 1:8 twist and “performance well beyond 1000 yards”. Ammunition is currently offered in 147-grain ELD Match and 143-grain ELD-X bullets.
Although primarily designed for competition, hunters will find the round suitable for most North American game.


I wonder if the army using something similar for terrorists  season ( which never closes)


Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 07:48:50 PM
Decided on Putting a Leupold VX-5 3-15X x 44mm, 30mm tube, on the Christensen Arms 6.5 PRC....Should be here next Thursday...Saved over $100 by getting it off Amazon instead of Midway.....my first choice was Midway but for over $100...decided on Amazon...the sales tax was the issue......

Enjoy it.

Next time try scopes here (I did)

https://www.bhphotovideo.com/

I just get a kick out of buying hunting stuff from a store not too far from the New York City Mayor’s office @--0--0118

Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 08:57:45 PM
flint- BP Photo has some good prices. I've bought a few thing there
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 18, 2019, 09:09:12 PM
Not familiar with it nor do I hunt out west.

I dug this up:

 The 6.5 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) is a relatively new long-range cartridge developed by Hornady. According to their team, the round has been “designed to achieve the highest levels of accuracy, flat trajectory and extended range performance in a sensibly designed compact package”. The use of moderate powder charges helps create a cartridge that is accurate and enjoys a reasonable barrel life without heavy recoil. Often represented as an attempt to improve on the wildly popular 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC is a well-balanced chambering suitable for both hunters and competition shooters.
Those who choose to shoulder a rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC should enjoy the high velocities and long-range potential possible with the short-action round. Hornady claims a muzzle velocity of 2,910 FPS from their 26” test barrel with a 1:8 twist and “performance well beyond 1000 yards”. Ammunition is currently offered in 147-grain ELD Match and 143-grain ELD-X bullets.
Although primarily designed for competition, hunters will find the round suitable for most North American game.


I wonder if the army using something similar for terrorists  season ( which never closes)
Flint - our boys and girls in the military are using all sorts of stuff for terrorists, ranging from the 5.56 all the way to the .50 BMG for the shoulder-fired weapons.  The long range guys still seem to be relying on the .338 Lapua, .300 Win mag, .50 BMG (Barretts) and the good old .308 (7.62X51) to some extent.  I wouldn't be shocked to learn there are a few 6.5 CM and PRC weapons in use over there, but unless the military has adopted some official guns & ammo, it makes for a very challenging supply chain situation - don't want to run out of ammo over there.  If Dutch happens to be monitoring this thread I'm sure he could lend a much more credible response to your question.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 19, 2019, 12:11:17 AM
Not familiar with it nor do I hunt out west.

I dug this up:

 The 6.5 PRC (Precision Rifle Cartridge) is a relatively new long-range cartridge developed by Hornady. According to their team, the round has been “designed to achieve the highest levels of accuracy, flat trajectory and extended range performance in a sensibly designed compact package”. The use of moderate powder charges helps create a cartridge that is accurate and enjoys a reasonable barrel life without heavy recoil. Often represented as an attempt to improve on the wildly popular 6.5 Creedmoor, 6.5 PRC is a well-balanced chambering suitable for both hunters and competition shooters.
Those who choose to shoulder a rifle chambered in 6.5 PRC should enjoy the high velocities and long-range potential possible with the short-action round. Hornady claims a muzzle velocity of 2,910 FPS from their 26” test barrel with a 1:8 twist and “performance well beyond 1000 yards”. Ammunition is currently offered in 147-grain ELD Match and 143-grain ELD-X bullets.
Although primarily designed for competition, hunters will find the round suitable for most North American game.


I wonder if the army using something similar for terrorists  season ( which never closes)
Flint - our boys and girls in the military are using all sorts of stuff for terrorists, ranging from the 5.56 all the way to the .50 BMG for the shoulder-fired weapons.  The long range guys still seem to be relying on the .338 Lapua, .300 Win mag, .50 BMG (Barretts) and the good old .308 (7.62X51) to some extent.  I wouldn't be shocked to learn there are a few 6.5 CM and PRC weapons in use over there, but unless the military has adopted some official guns & ammo, it makes for a very challenging supply chain situation - don't want to run out of ammo over there.  If Dutch happens to be monitoring this thread I'm sure he could lend a much more credible response to your question.

As long as the bullet that gets ‘em is marked “Made in the USA” whatever we use to reduce that herd is good with me! ##$%#115 -0078
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 19, 2019, 11:07:12 AM
Made in the USA and with a little piggy etched into it . . .
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 19, 2019, 03:26:07 PM
Yes, I agree that the 6.5 PRC does not have the punch that a 338 LM or a 50 cal does...would like to hear Dutch's thoughts as well.....the first PRC on the market was the 30 Caliber and the 6.5 show up late last year and now the 300 PRC is being marketed....

It is base on the 375 Ruger case (.532 diameter case) neck down and shorten a bit for Short Action (not really short action). I know that a Rem Short Action Picatinny rail mounted on the CA just fine.....I did order a box of the 143 gn ELD-X bullet and some extra brass, just to see what this thing will do at the range, I do this for almost all my AR style rifles and the 6.5 CM as well....one box only and the rest empty and new brass for reloading......

Have my work cut out for me this week and when I finally get to go to the range.....

Bo

 
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 20, 2019, 08:10:28 PM
    Bo I have a Christiansen Arms Carbon Classic and I love it. It shoots 1/2 inch groups at 100 yards  and I have shot 8 inch groups at 1000 yards using hunting bullets, Not target bullets. The best thing about the rifle is how it handles and carries when hunting and the action is really smooth. I don't have any experience with the 6.5 PRC but I have been playing a little with a 6.5x284 Norma with a 7.5 twist and Krieger barrel. I've shot the Sierra 150 gr and the ELDX 143 gr in it and both are very accurate but are to soft in my opinion for the type of hunting I do with the rifle now. I bought some 130 gr Scirrocco 2's to test but haven't got to it yet. The Swift Scirroccos are bonded so should penetrate a deer easily.     The Sierra 150 grs are very accurate and I've shot them to 1450 yards and hope to get them to 1 mile this summer but they are a target bullet so I won't use them for hunting.    If you want to shoot a long ways, try them.    What is the twist of your barrel?      Enjoy the 6.5 and keep us informed.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 21, 2019, 10:33:57 AM
Notsams - Thanks a million for the info, glad to see someone else has it....the advertised twist rate is 8", have not measure it myself which I will do today and let you guys know....you never mention what caliber you have??

I have ordered a box of 143's factory hunting loads just to break this rifle in and see how it shoots and have ordered a bunch of new Hornady Brass (about 60 pieces of new brass)...my shooting buddy Billy is real interested in it as well... like you I will only shoot hunting rounds in it, something like the Nosler Accubonds or the Barnes TTSX bullets...no Sierra Match Kings! but will try the Game Kings in it....I already have plenty of 6.5 bullets on hand, with the 6.5 CM and the 6.5 Grendel and the 26 Nosler....

I will relate a funny story to you guys, when I bought my 26 Nosler Liberty the guy at the shop where I paid viva CC told me that most of his guys on his range was shooting the Christensen Arm Mesa and the Ridgeline and they too were getting about a 1/2 groups with their hand loads and they were selling the Christensen Arms Mesa as fast as they get them...the 26 Nosler Liberty is a slow seller...that was about a year ago that I bought the 2 Nosler in their Liberty Model.....

You mention a 1000 and 1450 yards in your post, don't feel like I would get a shot over 80 yards where I hunt at...LOL....This will not be a safe queen. I have McWhorters, Custom Coopers and Blaser R93 that I take to the woods with me just like any other rifle I have......so as soon as I get the new Leupold scope in and get it mounted, then the two rifles (the 260 Rem Savage-Shilen and the 6.5 PRC Christensen Arms will be head to the range probably within a week or two...will post the range results for both rifles..... 
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 21, 2019, 08:34:14 PM
    Bo   my Christiansen Arms is a 7mm Rem mag. I shoot a 160 gr Nosler Accubond at about 2950 fps. It is very effective on deer and Elk. The accubond bullets are the key. I was going to try the 142 gr Accubond long range in my 6.5x284 but in the last year I have not found a box to buy. I bought the sciroccos because they are available and bonded. The bonding helps hold them together at close range when velocities are still high.          The Christiansen Arms rifles are not safe queens, they are meant to be out hunting.  I'm interested in you opinions on the rifle and cartridge so keep me Informed.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 22, 2019, 07:08:25 PM
Was checking out the twist rate today and took the bolt apart, and adjusted the trigger, clean out the barrel today as well.....the twist rate is dead on 8" twist if anything it is 8.025 twist but maybe it was me, so I am going with 8 twist....the bolt, took it apart and cleaned it, pulled the stock away from the action and clean the action. The trigger was set at not 3.0 lbs as the owners manual states but was 3 lbs 9 to 12 ounces, so it is not set at 2.75 to 2.85 lbs (pulled it 4 times). Rechecked the Picatinny rail to torque value again at 55 inch pounds put some lock-tite a couple of days ago...and then mounted the Burris extreme medium height rings on it....just waiting on the Leupold (UPS left a note on the door late this afternoon - signature required) it can wait till tomorrow....tomorrow this time it will be mounted, bore sited and ready for the range.....

Put it all back together and put a tag on it stating "Bore Sited Only" and now it is ready for the range......
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 25, 2019, 01:44:58 PM
I cannot believe how light the rifle is even with the Leupold VX5 scope....it will be easy to carry it to the woods with me this year....but the scope I mounted on the Christensen Arms (CA) is a very nice scope..Wow, have not taken it to the range but the scope has all the bells and whistles on it......but it is a nice set up with the CA rifle and the Leupold....along with the Leupold Picatinny base and the Burris Exteme Rings.....we will see how it shoots next week......

The CA is a very nice rifle and the Leupold is very nice Scope....good setup!!
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 25, 2019, 04:05:52 PM
sounds like a nice rig. enjoy

let us know how it shoots
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 25, 2019, 05:19:07 PM
Will post the results of the 6.5 PRC in the CA as soon as I can get to the range, am excited about shooting it.....
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 27, 2019, 06:37:46 PM
   Bo my CA rifle weighs about 8.5 lbs with the 4.5-14 Leupold, a rubber sling and 9 rounds of ammo. It is light but balanced very well. The Timney trigger was set at 2.5 lbs so I left it alone. The muzzle break is Titanium and is very effective. My "light" 7mm Mag recoils like my .243 varmint rifle.       I'm interested in the velocities you get with your 6.5 PRC.         On a side note. 2 winters ago I carried my 7mm mag as a long range Coyote rifle because I have a Custom turret for it. On a cold morning a Coyote ran out to the middle of a field till it felt safe. 1 shot at 735 yards dropped him in his tracks. A local farmer happened to be after the same Coyote and saw me shoot it. He was very interested in my Christensen Arms rifle and asked a lot of questions about it.       Enjoy the rifle.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on May 30, 2019, 06:20:29 PM
Not - Wow 735 yards that is some shot on a small coyote!! Will get my CDS for my Leupold after I start clocking it and so i can let Leupold know it's velocity but first got to get it on paper and hand load so 143 bullets for myself. Will let you know how it shoots, taking it to the range tomorrow with me......

Bo
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 16, 2019, 08:55:59 AM
Took the Christensen Arms (CA) to the range this past week, and had a chance to shoot it again and this time it was too windy (for 200 yds) so I stuck with 50 yards and 100 target. This rifle is very light weight and I could see myself carrying it for many years to come, just got to find the right load.

Will be taking to the range every week for the rest of the summer months until I can get up enough brass to reload myself. The 143 gn Factory Hornady load is not the right load for this rifle, can tell that now, but will continue to shoot the 143 gns, until I can reach enough brass to work up my own load....will keep everyone posted....

NotSams - My Timney Trigger on mine was set at 3.5 lbs when I got it, so I am in the process of lightening it up a big, currently it stands at 3.0 lbs, will make it about 2.75 lbs this week and see if the groups tighten up a bit....but so far so good, have some ejection problems with it...I have fired 10 rounds through it and have to get the cleaning rod out and punch out 2 of 10 of the spent brass.....so I am keeping my eye on it....still in the barrel break in phase of this rifle....

Flint is right it is fairly new and is an extreme long range round....with some 200 fps faster than the 6.5 Creedmoor round and the Ridgeline has a 24" barrel on it so it should be a good flat long range performer, just will shoot the Hornady brass up until I get enough.....

Love the 3-15X Leupold VX5-HD Scope with 30mm tube, BDC and Firedot reticule......use the 3X for 50 yard and used the 7.5 for 100 yard targets...it does have the Leupold Picatinny rail scope and the Burris Extreme Rings (6 screws)....and my standard cant level is from Vortex....



 
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 16, 2019, 09:27:31 AM
i'm surprised you aren't more worried about the problem ejecting spent shells. that would be my #1 priority at the early stages
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 16, 2019, 10:57:07 PM
Yari - Yes, I am worried about it, and will not hesitate if I get one or two more hang-ups to send it back to the factory, I want to make sure it is not the brass. While I was adjusting the trigger down to 2.5 to 2.7 lbs pull, I took the bolt out and looked at it with a 60X microscope eyepiece up close and it did look fine the brass could be the problem but it could be the extractor too, not ruling out anything at this point.....believe me, I have plenty of others rifles and calibers that I can take with me to the woods.....

Notsams - have you have any extractor problems ejecting spent brass??

Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 17, 2019, 08:53:18 PM
Bo   no I have had no problems of any kind with my Christiansen Arms rifle. I think it has a M16 "type" extractor. It should be very reliable. I would contact Christiansen Arms and ask if they have been having extraction problems with any rifles. Good luck and keep me informed.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 18, 2019, 06:33:26 PM
Notsams - That is a very good idea and will keep you in the loop as well....thanks for the suggestion....
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 19, 2019, 09:24:38 PM
Bo  my 6.5x284 and your 6.5 prc are very similar as far as velocity. I highly recommend the bonded bullets in this cartridge if you want your bullet to exit deer size game. The 143 gr ELDX bullet was a big disappointment on a 120 pound doe last fall. I'm going to try the 130 gr Scirrocco 2 this summer. Hopefully my 7.5 twist isn't to fast for it.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 20, 2019, 06:07:30 AM
Not - Yea I agree, purchased a couple of boxes of the Hornady 143 Gn ELD-X just for the brass so I can start reloading my own.....the 143 is good ammo to get it on paper but it isn't good enough for me for hunting, got to shoot a quarter of smaller before it leave the house for the woods.....

The 127 Gn Barnes TTXS worked out great for the 260 Rem and think it will be my standard load now for the Savage-Shilen 260....but you are right a long range bonded bullet would work best for the 6.5 PRC...Most rifles, and I said most rifle, but not all, if it a long range caliber will preform better if you use a bonded bullet....

Did write CA an email telling them that I might be having some extraction problem but if it continues and it isn't the brass, and who knows if it is the brass...I am sure Hornady is working OT to produce the 30 PRC and the 6.5 PRC ammo ....to give them a heads up. I included my Serial Number in the email....have not heard back from them yet....

Was going to the range yesterday but the weather and my stomach was in sink yesterday...so I will put it off till tomorrow before heading to the range....will take 4 long range rifles with me...they are the Nosler Liberty in the 26 Nosler, the Christensen Arm 6.5 PRC and the 7mm STW Custom and the Savage-Shilen 260 again.....all but the 7mm STW custom is on paper but will try to figure out what it likes.....


Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 20, 2019, 08:39:10 AM
Bo enjoying the discussion on your new CA 6.5.  Hope nothing is wrong with the extractor.  But if there is I am sure CA will take care of the problem.  I’ll toss in my personal favorite, the Nosler Accubond.  I have been shooting this in 308 and 270 WSM.  My last couple of deer have been with the 270wsm Accubond and they have been DRT.  You know the last buck was not little guy. What impresses the most is the energy/trauma released into the deer.  The Accubond is available in 130gn and 140gn for the 6.5.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 20, 2019, 11:17:06 AM
The Accubond is a heck of a bullet for sure, basically built off the legendary Partition with a ballistic tip added. It's hard to find anyone with a complaint on the terminal performance.  Was looking into those just recently for my bro-in law, as I need to help him get a load worked up for his "new" 7mm Mag Remington 700 that he just acquired (late 60's vintage) - I think he's finally ready to sign up for an elk hunt with me.  I figure the sooner I get him shooting cloverleafs the sooner we go!

In reading up on the Accubond, I came across this little history lesson on Nosler - found it interesting that the Partition has been around since the 40's!

https://www.nosler.com/nosler-story
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 21, 2019, 06:42:38 AM
Guys - I love the Nosler Accubonds, they are great bullets....

Deerhead - I too the 130 and 140 gn especially when it comes to White Tails!! You cannot beat it....Mine and your 270 WSM loves the 140 gn Accubonds, while 2 of my 270 Wins love the 130 gn (Sierra GK and Norlser BT) have not tried the 130 gn Accubonds. And the other 2 love the 140 gn and have use both the Nolser BT and Partition.....my 270 Weatherby in the Ruger #1 loves the 140 BT only it will not shoot the 140 gn Accubond or any 130 gn bullets, so go figure....I too like the 140 gn weight bullet in any bullet.

Will check this morning to see if I have any 130 gn 6.5 Accubonds......if not, Larry will be getting an order today...LOL...

Mad - Thanks for the link to the Nosler story.....the 7mm family has the highest BC of any family of bullets....in my 7mm-08 Rem, have 3 of them my first one is my beloved Rem 700 Varmint it loves the 139 or the 140 gn bullets, have settled on the 140 gn Accubonds as my standard round for it...while the Steyr M96 ProHunter will not shoot the 139, 140 or even the 150 gn pills it does love the 120 gn bullets and I use the 120 gn Accubond in it as my standard round....and then there is the 7mm-08 Wayne (bought it from him a few weeks before he died from Cancer). Wayne told me that he bought it in 1981 new (first year that Remington made it a standard production rifle) it was a 700 ADL and he had put a fiberglass stock on it a few years later...I have been taking to the range once or twice a year and still trying to experiment with the loads....think it is a stock problem more than a load problem. but currently it shoots a 2 to 3 inch group at 100 yards, not good enough to take to the woods with me....so will continue to work on that rifle....

I have had many conversations with the folks at Nosler Tech Support and its what they don't say that gets you to thinking but every once in a while they will let something slip out...like the story about the Ballistic Tips and Partitions....they told me on several conversations that they get rush to production the Ballistic Tip and then it was to hard of compound, then they soften it up, then more feedback and they are mixing and remixing their compounds of their bullets all the time until they get it right...so it took them about 5 years of feedback to get the right compound mix of their Ballistic Tips bullets.....also about their partition, I have been using them for sooooo many years, I too love them, but they too have change them, I still have some of their Moly-Bullets in their Partitions, and have Partitions long before that, how the ones in the Yellow box, have a couple of them still around. The first Elk Load I loaded up back in the 80's!! but today I think and this comment is base on the groups I shoot using them, that they have gotten more accurate over the years by changing the outer shell and the double core of the bullets.

I think your competition are your first customers, and then to the lab it goes...When Barnes came out with their Triple Shock bullets back in the 80's as well, they were very accurate out of the box and I feel like Nosler bought some of the Triple Shock Bullets and starting their new silent re-design of the Partitions, to where it is today, a great and accurate bullet that the Accubond may take it place. I am sure they the folks at Nosler will make chemical changes to their white tip to make it withstand the heat like the Hornady ELD-X bullets tip does....

I like the Barnes TTSX bullets too, but like Nosler, they went out and purchased a couple of boxes of ELD-X bullets and they went into the lab with them to redesign their TTSX bullets....probably a lot more manufacturers have the ELD-X tips in the lab working on them.....

John Nosler would have been proud of his bullets and the many employees with the same vision that he had.....

Just check - Do not have any 130 gn 6.5 bullets in the Accubond, but do have the 127, 129, 140 and 143 gn bullets. Since the 127 gn did so well on the 260 Rem will load up some 129 gn Accubonds (have 200 of them still in an up open box!!)

Am planning on going to the range this morning but it will an 8 hour event for me....to load up the rifles, to check the air in the tires and oil in the truck, then load up the truck with all the gear that I need to shoot today, take the 30 minute drive there and back, do the 4 hours shooting and then come home and unload the truck, clean the rifles make any adjustments to the scopes and then scan in the targets and then come on here and post the range results and comments....so as you can see, I do this every time I go to the range....just for you guys....yea right....LOL....I LOVE IT!!!! --09--0

Bo 



Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 21, 2019, 08:05:21 AM
Yeah Bo, the competitive scenario you described is what all of us in the product development world do.  Doesn't matter if you are on top of the market or just trying to enter it, if you're not aware of what your competitors are doing and growing your own knowledge base as a result, you won't be around for long.
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 22, 2019, 09:09:49 AM
Mad - Friday was range day for me and took the Christensen Arm 6.5 PRC out to the range, I have posted the target I shot at 100 yards yesterday under Range Results 6-21-2019 post....

But I am convinced that the factory 143 is not the right load for this rifle. I need to load up my own and will use the factory loads all 40 rounds up before loading up my own, not sure what I will load up now but will check the twist rate to make sure, on the barrel it states 8" twist...assuming it is RH twist.....will start with the max and work my way down.....

Bo
Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 22, 2019, 07:57:14 PM
Yeah Bo I saw your summary of yesterday's outing.  The engineer in me thinks it ought to be a relatively straightforward effort to get a rifle shooting well, but as you guys have beaten into my head here over the years, each one is a unique personality to sort out.  You've been through this drill dozens of times with your others, I'm sure you will be posting pictures with dimes on them soon.
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Title: Re: Christensen Arms Ridgeline
Post by: [Blocked] on June 23, 2019, 03:49:22 AM
Mad - Thanks for the post, Yes as a retired engineer, I thought the same way as you did, until I started reloading and then it took me a few years to get my feet wet and for me to change my thoughts on reloading and the loads themselves. For me, my first real deer rifle out of school and the very first thing I bought was a 270 Win in the Winchester Model 70A, equal to the Remington ADL....same action rifle but, cheap stock....and thought that the 130 gn was the Sweet Spot of the 270 line, after all, Jack O Conner wrote a lot about the caliber and love it, it would take down any animal in North America, and at the time, I thought the one rifle that I have for any game I went after....yea, right, see what happen there....LOL....attached is a 1973 photo taken of a deer hunting trip with Dad in GA and it was Nov 1973 cause I got the film developed in January of 74....as you can tell I was shooting up the 130 gn bronze points ammo and thought it was a pretty good group, that was the first year the Leupold 2-7X x 33mm scope was on the Winchester!

At that time you could buy the 270 Winchester in 100 gn for coyotes and deer with the 150 gn for larger size mule deer, elk, bear and moose! What does a 22 year old know anyway....but I started reloading the 130 gn exclusively in the 270....the second rifle I got was a varmint barrel 308 and bought me a box of factory 165 Federal Premiums after shooting an 1 inch group with them and then hand load some Sierra 165 gn GK and shot a 3/4" group at 100 yards for 5 shots!! I was shock and pleasantly surprised but the wheels started turning in the old ticker!! Hum, I thought, but then I was 24 by then and my first Nukie was in Florida. Playing Golf, Tennis and chasing women, came long before reloading back then...so I ended up reloading about every other year and came home every year to hunt with Dad and family (Split Toe and his dad) no matter where I was at. Dad kept my old rifles all 7 of them (one 22, one 410, one 303, one 7x57, one 12 gauge, one 270 and one 308) in a closet setting on the floor with the barrels up behind his old work clothes.....but he kept the ammo with his 30-30 and 30-06 ammo.

But then, I came back home for a couple of years got married and settled down (bought my first of many houses in Florida and bare land lots around it, bought 5 extra lots at 2.5K each, today they would be worth 250K each, but I sold them for 7.5K to 12K each and made a whopping 20K from the house in 1977 that I bought in 74)....But that is days gone by, but back then in the Japanese style house in Lilburn, GA I bought closer to where Mom and Dad lives (within 6 miles) and set up my reloading bench in the basement which was not finished yet....but sold it after I gotten married to my ex. Remember Jimmy Carter was President then and the interest rates was going through the roof. I was paying a whopping 10.5% on my house where she had a 7.5% Assumable mortgage on hers....then we started moving to Norcross,GA and we moved 3 times in 4 years, each time setting up the old reloading bench and breaking it down. The old 3/4" plywood that I use for it, believe it or not, I still have!! yep, and I reloaded thousands of rounds on it!! it sort of brings tears to my eyes....but it still out in the external garage....

I tell folk that if for example you go into the store for ammo and you don't have or forgotten your ammo for your 30-06, and you have sighted you rifle in using the 165 gn ammo and they store that you visited (and all the stores you stopped at on the way to your hunting club) doesn't have you 165 gn ammo and you have the choice of the 150 or 180 gn ammo, which one do you pick up? I have told people this that I always go with the heavier bullet, it tends to be more accurate...that is how it has worked out for me, I still have some very old factory ammo, for both the 270 and 06, heck was checking the other day and still have some old 7x57 and 303 ammo in boxes!!! Have some old 7x57 ammo with the German WW2 Logo stamped on the bottom!! that got toe be in the late 30's or early 40's ammo!! Eeks!!

But every rifle is different you can count on that! I have always said that is you took two production rifles that came off the line at the same time that they would shoot differently...maybe a 1/10 of a grain of powder may make the difference but they may like different bullets, that is why I also say let the rifle tell you what it likes. No matter whose rifle it is....

When reloading, everything matters, from the seating depth, to head spacing, to number of times the brass was reloaded, the pressure, the primer, the type and amount of powder and of course the bullet make a huge difference. Today we have so many choices, back in the 70's I only knew of Sierra, Nosler and Speer bullets did not know much back then either!! LOL....I have a Cooper 280 Ackley that doesn't shoot the 140 very good, but there is hope in the 150 gn, and then there is the 160 gn?? Have been working on that rifle, caliber and will continue to do so for the next few years.....

Have said that, I do look at the Cooper Targets they shipped with each Cooper rifle and check them out and reload that bullet.....even if I buy the Cooper used (which half of mine are) I will go online and check out the targets and if I lucky they will tell me the type, but not the amount of powder, to use and then I do my research from there....

As I have said don't feel like the 143 gn is the right bullet for my 6.5 PRC, I know most folks like it and Hornady has done their research on the ammo and came up with a ammo that will shoot very good in most rifles, but not for Bose rifles, If the good rifles don't shoot a 1/2 inch group they don't go to the woods with me....and the only way for me to know what the right load is to go to the range every week and test new loads, but will use the 20 rounds I do have as break in loads for the PRC....but did find some brass (Hornady) that Midway had on sale for a box of 20 pieces for about 8 bucks, not Lapua or Norma that I prefer but still it is a start. Have the Redding Dies and the shell holder and the primers for it....yes I still do reload one shell at a time...Today, you won't find more than 10 rounds loaded up for any rifle that I own...LOL...