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Title: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 28, 2017, 10:15:58 PM
Been thinking about planting something in a wide row where a row of pines were removed in a pine plantation several years ago.  The area has been use as a road and a fire line for this particular small block of pines.  The dimension is 16' X 300' just a hair over 1/10 acre.  This will be the smallest food plot I've done in many years. The length is controlled by the location of the shooting house on the north side of a 2 acre plot, the other end is obscured by other trees in a different plot.
My intent is to plant Durana Clover, today I actually had a representative of Pennington Seed Company return a call!  I'm pleased with their prompt response!  I was not too pleased with the information the rep gave me.  Here's the deal, Durana thrives in shade but there is a very narrow window of planting time for our geographic location.  He said Durana will not do well if planted in soil that is too warm, so he suggests waiting till Oct.15-Nov.15 to plant.  In other words, this planting will be for next years, 2018-19 season.  (You have to start some time.)  He explained that most of the initial growth is in the establishing of the root system so it is unlikely there will be any deer forage this season.  I'll just have to fluff up part of the old original plot and plant something in a few weeks that will be a draw Bambi on Thanksgiving Day.
Last Saturday I ran the bush-hog 3 passes and had it mowed, then got the disk and ran it over 4 or 5 times and have a great looking seed bed.  Following instructions, it'll be at least 45 days till we can put some seed on the ground.
Getting older, this small plot idea really appeals to me. I can lime and fertilize small areas quite easily with out having to rent the big spreader buggies and all that goes with that.
I hope to update this plot on the forum as it progresses.  The old saying "A picture is worth a thousand words" has always made sense to me. Pictures should show 1st pass with disk, then a prepared seed bed and the ol' shootin' house.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 11:24:34 AM
would thing something from whitetail institute of north america would work there
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 12:07:22 PM
Great idea can't wait to see the progress.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 01:26:15 PM
That looks like a great spot. Be sure to take some pic's of the plots as it grows. I hope all your hard work pays off this fall.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 02:08:45 PM
Just finished mowing the yard around noon and the 1st rain band from Harvey has moved into the Florida Panhandle. Boys, that has been some storm!  Pray for those folks that are facing such a mess.

I took dave 1211's thought and called Whitetail Institute.  Explained my project and the gentleman on the other end suggested 2 annual products would work, No-Plow and Secret Spot.  He said the Imperial Whitetail Clover will not perform well in the shade and wouldn't recommend it for planting in the pines. 

So it looks like I'm still going to focus on a perennial plot and so far Durana Clover seems to be the front runner.  A cereal grain will probably have to do along with what clover remains in the old plot for this season.

I'll do my best to show the progress.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 02:13:11 PM
is it pretty sand soil? looks like it will be a good plot.

it's funny. i'm done w/ plots and you are being told to wait. no matter where we live, we all have our demons to deal with

good luck
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 03:13:11 PM
Looks like your prep is good! Hope you find a good fit to draw  some deer into it!! @--0--0123
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 03:30:35 PM
Great idea , good luck . ##$%#1118
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 04:36:26 PM
Looking good treefarmer!
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 29, 2017, 07:33:09 PM
Any potential to seed some sort of annual & blend in your clover with it?  The annual would give you some good forage yet for this year & then your let the clover start establishing as the annual dies back, ready for next fall?  Keep in mind I'm a Midwest kid, I'm not sure how an "annual" behaves in the eternal warmth & humidity of FL. 
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 30, 2017, 11:42:04 AM
Madgomer,
There is that possibility but it seems to me that there would be a great potential to damage the Durana Clover by too many little foot prints as they browsed the quick growing annuals.  Since the new plot is relatively small, I'm almost convienced to plant it as instructed and as I mentioned earlier fluff up something in the old plot to get their attention.  The old plot is about 2 acres and has been successful in the past.  Always has doe traffic most mornings and evenings and then when the rut starts most years it has paid off, in fact beginning in 2001, I've killed at least one buck in that patch each year since then. The 1st was a big 8 point prior to the rut in November, he had been in a bachelor group since July. The beauty of this to me is this is about 100 yards from our back door.  That year that buck was feeding on Imperial Whitetail clover that had been planted about 14 months earlier and I had just completed my shooting house a week or so before the season started. (note: the shooting house had been under construction for several months, so it wasn't an issue to the critters)
The picture is of that buck back in 2001.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on August 30, 2017, 06:26:29 PM
That's a stout looking Florida deer!  I have 4 different patches planted now, one is a perennial WTI imperial clover patch, one is WTI chicory, one is a bird blend (hoping to get some doves, quail, & maybe turkeys in) with sunflowers, millet, etc and the other is that fall annual blend I just planted.  Those four plots are all together out behind the house, 150-200 yards away.  Makes for good viewing from the house & I usually take a late season doe off of it during muzzleloader season, in total the area for those four plots is about 1.6 acres.  Having two different perennial varieties & two annual patches is working well for me. 
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 19, 2017, 09:29:00 PM
On the advice of a man at Pennington Seed Company, I've waited for some cooler weather to plant the Durana Clover.  He suggested waiting till October 15 or least some cooler weather.  The time has come and we had 47 degrees the other morning so I've fertilized and limed the new plot today.  I put 150 lbs of 10-10-10 and 200 lbs of pelletized on the 1/10 acre between the pine rows.  I then cut it in with the disk and then firmed the plot by driving over it, moving over a tire width each round. It too 6 or 8 rounds to cover the 20'.  Each tire is about 18 inches wide so each pass, theoretically covered 3 feet and the width between the trees is about 20 feet.  Tomorrow I'll put out the seed and then drag it with a chain link pasture drag.  This clover, as with most clovers, only needs to be 1/4 inch deep when planted to achieve a good germination.
I'll try to get a picture of the progress tomorrow.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 20, 2017, 09:20:41 AM
I hope it turns out great for you. I can not wait to see the updated pic's.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 20, 2017, 05:10:05 PM
good luck. send a pic
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 21, 2017, 09:10:56 AM
Sounds like you are doing it right.  I was going to suggest lime and a heavy application but it appears you have handled it.  From my experience with piney woods the soil is acidic. Sometimes it's hard to get it close to neutral. 
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 21, 2017, 06:28:34 PM
Here are a few pictures of the little long lean strip between the pine rows.
1-size of seed
2-walking with the little spreader
3-old bed spring drag
4-covering the seed

I had to use a little hand held spreader to put out the clover, every other thing we had would not handle the clover as there are 3/4 million seeds in a pound and they would leak out any small hole or crack.
I read where some dude used an old set of bed springs for a drag, so I tried that idea and it seems to have worked.  Now we need a little bit of a shower.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 21, 2017, 06:30:59 PM
We had visitors about an hour after we finished covering the clover seed.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 21, 2017, 07:03:49 PM
Looking good.  As a kid we used old metal bed springs or chain link fence for drags when seeding lawns, generally used a few cinder blocks on top to help them work the soil a bit more uniformly (eliminate some of the bounce).
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 21, 2017, 07:37:26 PM
i use an old cast iron fence section as a drag. it works well as long as it not too wet or there isn't too much debris

looks good. i hope you get some rain
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 22, 2017, 09:20:38 PM
It is about 9:20 pm and the rain has just started Thank you, Lord! @--0--0123
Treefarmer
 Today 10/23, our rain gauge showed 0.7" overnight! Just right on the little plot.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on October 23, 2017, 04:36:12 PM
you're a lucky man. congrats
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on November 14, 2017, 10:59:07 PM
Here is what's happening with the Durana Clover.  It has started showing up, the patch is covered with pine straw from the winds from the storm a few weeks back.  As we said earlier, it probably won't be a factor this year but should be a draw by working next year this time.  The adjacent oat patch is doing well, the deer are using it.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on November 16, 2017, 08:29:26 AM
It is looking good. All your hard work is paying off.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on November 16, 2017, 04:37:50 PM
looks good. not much green up here anymore
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on March 17, 2018, 11:13:57 PM
I just realized I hadn't followed up on posting pictures of the Durana Clover planted between pine rows since November.
Toward the end of the season, in mid February, the deer began to graze on this patch as they came out of the woods in the late afternoon.  They seemed to hit the planted oats pretty good as this clover was not doing a lot at that time, but it did interest a few of them.  It has really taken off in the last few weeks, it is beginning to bloom in a few spots.  Here's what it looked like about a week ago.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on March 18, 2018, 07:07:29 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on March 18, 2018, 08:34:01 AM
no green around here. looks good
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on March 19, 2018, 08:08:19 AM
Wow, that filled in really nice. 
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on March 23, 2018, 09:14:28 AM
It is looking great. All your hard work has paid off.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 06, 2018, 09:40:50 PM
Our two grandsons spent a few days with us this week.  Besides their usual fishing, they learned to do a controlled burn in the pines adjacent to the new clover we planted last fall.  I had plowed the fire lines earlier, before the last rain and was ready to do the burn when they arrived last Tuesday.  The morning was pretty foggy making the vegetation damp, so we waited till after dinner and my nap to do the burn.  The wind was out of the southwest so we began the burn on the northeast side of the pines.  The wind changed around on us and we moved on down to the south side and fired it.  The boys made it all the way around the pines and did a good job.  They are 12 and 13.
We made another makeshift fire starter, as usual a propane torch duct taped to a pole.  I would love to have a drip pot or fire pot like the forestry service uses but they are too expensive for what little time I would use one. 
The burn took just a little over an hour to complete.
Some pictures to show what went on.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 06, 2018, 09:48:01 PM
 a couple of additional pictures showing the completed burn next to the Durana clover and the clean burn in the pines.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 07, 2018, 07:13:25 AM
That new growth will have the deer and rabbits in it along with the clover.    @--0--0119

Grandkids do come in Handy.    ;D
Looking good!



PJ
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 07, 2018, 08:47:49 AM
it looked pretty green to burn. i'm surprised how well it turned out. nice work
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 12, 2018, 10:27:44 PM
I removed the camera during the burn, replaced it as soon as fire was out.
The camera doesn't lie.  Deer were back in the burned pines within 3 1/2 hours.  I was surprised they came back that soon.
We started the burn around 1:30 pm and by 5pm deer were at the feeder and in the Durana Clover.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 13, 2018, 09:50:52 AM
very interesting TREEFFARMER I HAVE SIMILIAR SITUATION ON OUR LEASE IN MIDDLE GA. STILL THINKING ABOUT USING DURANA CLOVER AS WELL.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 13, 2018, 10:52:14 AM
they will be happy w/ all the new growth. nice job
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 15, 2018, 12:06:57 PM
I'm chomping at the bit to plant some food plots If and when the weather permits.I hope to but a tiller since I have the use of my farmer and neighbors Disc harrow and cultipacker if needed.I have a few varieties of seed and just ordered more.Tired of the rain and wind of April .
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on June 15, 2018, 03:23:14 PM
I should likewise our place was thinned every 5th row removed but lots of trash remains they did virtually no cleanup after thinning , so well have a lot of work ahead before we can plant. did get a new plot started in an open grassy area.   you will like the durana clover it will grow sooner or later . 
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on June 22, 2018, 09:34:12 PM
It has been way too wet to mow the weeds and grass that has come up in the new Durana Clover patch without doing a lot of damage (making ruts).  I finally mowed it yesterday, cut it about 12 inches above the ground, need to give it a shot of fertilizer in a week or so.
The deer are working on it regularly.
There is a lot of volunteer clover coming up in the old food plot that will be good for the critters too!
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on June 24, 2018, 02:11:32 PM
looks great. i'm getting much more volunteer clover lately to
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on November 07, 2018, 04:21:58 PM
Things look a lot different since the hurricane, I'll post a few pictures to show what we're dealing with.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on December 07, 2018, 09:10:20 AM
Things are slowly improving but will never be the same.  What was an almost perfect hunting set up, a result of our family growing, changing over the years from row crops and cattle, to pine trees and cattle, then to pine tress and deer, 45 years of life was turned upside down in a matter of hours.  We were blessed that our home was not damaged and we thank God for His protection.  On a much larger scale we just learned that the largest hospital in Panama City has had to down size to a 75 bed facility, laying off hundreds of staff as their facility was heavily damaged.  The Panama City Mall will not rebuild under present ownership, around 500 jobs lost.  Looks like any young feller with construction experience will have plenty of work for years to come.  Florida Department of Agriculture estimated 1.4 billion dollars worth of pine timber destroyed.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on December 07, 2018, 09:23:35 AM
A few more pictures, during the height of the storm from inside the house, a big old growth Longleaf Pine across the front of the pump house, (no damage to the well) and the road to our house.
Treefarmer
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on December 07, 2018, 02:44:02 PM
Looks like a lot of cleanup work, but glad everyone was ok
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on December 07, 2018, 03:19:12 PM
man that is tough. I wish you all the best
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on December 08, 2018, 12:41:46 PM
Wow, thanks for the pictures Treefarmer.  I sure do hate all of the work you have ahead of you.  Luckily you have a couple of young grandsons that can help.
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on December 30, 2018, 09:19:07 AM
WE GOT LOGGED AGAIN DECEMBER 2018 TWICE IN SAME YEAR WISH THEY WOULD CLEANUP THE TRASH.   AND WE HAVE GOTTEN PLENTY OF RAIN TO BOOT IN TWIGGS COUNTY GA.  MORE MESS TO DEAL WITH .    TIME TO REFILL OUR FEEDERS 



HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL HUNTERS AND DEER MANGERS     @--0--0101 @--0--0101 @--0--0101 @--0--0101 @--0--0101
Title: Re: Starting a new food plot within planted pines.
Post by: [Blocked] on April 19, 2019, 09:52:34 AM
CANNOT GO WRONG WITH DURANA CLOVER SAVE UP IT AIN;T CHEAP BUT IT WORKS CHECK YOUR PH FIRST AND GET RECOMMENDED FERTILIZER   HAVE BIG PROBLEM LOCATING 0060 POTASH NOT SOLD IN FLA