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Tools of the Trade => Archery => Topic started by: Webfoot96 on September 15, 2014, 07:59:51 PM

Title: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 15, 2014, 07:59:51 PM
OK Guys and Gals.  I love sitting in a tree stand, bow in hand.  I'm by no means an expert and my equipment leaves me wondering so here goes.  Last year pull the bow out of the hard case to start practicing and I'm shooting nice groups but all high and right.  Make the sight adjustment and I'm good to go.  This year pull the bow out and start fliggin aeros and the same thing - high and right with very good groups.

Does this mean something needs "tuned" or is it just normal for a bow to get "silly" in storage?  I have enough adjustment to dial her in but I'm really wondering what makes this happen.  I treat her gingerly even though she is in a hard case and it still happens.

Any ideas?

Web
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 15, 2014, 08:12:08 PM
happens all the time to me. it's just a matter of duplicating the exact form from last year. after a month you will get back to your hunting form. it could be as simple as your anchor point, what part of your hand the bow is resting on, are you centering the pin in the peep, bubble level, flinch before the shot....

I never move my sight after a long rest. the form comes back w/ practice. at first, just go for reps and build up your strength. I shoot 40+ arrows for 2 weeks 3-5 times a week. after that, I concentrate on hunting conditions and making every shot smooth and exact and look for a surprise release. I also make sure my pin stays on the target until the arrow hits. don't try to watch your arrow. makes a huge difference

good luck
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 15, 2014, 08:18:31 PM
As the great and wise Dutch hunter says, practice. 
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 15, 2014, 08:58:25 PM
Strings will stretch a bit over time but I think the issue is as already been mentioned. After a long break you are not using the same form as you were before. It does not take much of a variance in how you are applying pressure to the grip or anchoring to cause this.  Shooting a bit to get those muscles back in shape will help a lot.

If its been a few years since you had a new string/cables you may want to check the timing on the cams just to be sure. If the string has stretched its nothing more than a few twists in the right place to get things back into alignment. Most bow shops should be able to check it for you.

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Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 15, 2014, 09:18:02 PM
string stretch is a real issue but what you generally see there is low shots. Sounds like your grip may be too tight or your not letting the bow fall out of your hand after release.
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 16, 2014, 10:40:50 AM
This is one reason I love the IQ bow sight, that little dot makes sure you keep the same form every time.
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 16, 2014, 11:04:03 AM
 ##$%#1119  never had it change from year to year     @--0--0117  not sure
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 16, 2014, 01:17:53 PM
Lots of things change from year to year. On the bow and your body, get it set for you now and you should be good to go for a while.
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 16, 2014, 08:19:24 PM
Could be a lot of things mentioned above here but as you, I am not a bow guru so at the first sign of trouble, I will take it to the bow shop and ask him to check the bow over, even had him watch me shoot to check my form. Don't panic and start changing everything. Most important, try to relax, analyze, check everything and it will come back around for you. Keep us posted!
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 17, 2014, 06:15:48 PM
Thanks for the help folks.  It got a little better tonight.  I'll just keep at it and keep you informed.  I do find it quite amazing that I can pick up a shotgun an smoke waterfowl after a six month layoff but have to regain form with a bow.  After all they both relate to muscle memory in one form or another.

Thanks again for taking the time to help me out folks.

Web
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 17, 2014, 08:00:19 PM
there are a lot more moving parts w/ a bow than a shotgun. i'm a pretty good shotgunner. I've hit 47 out of 50 during sporting clay leagues, which I think is good. I can pick up a shotgun any day after a long layoff and hit 35-40

on the other hand, I've shot 298 out of 300 in an archery league. if I took 6 months off w/ a bow, i'd be lucky to hit 250.

 it's apples and oranges. two totally different animals
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 17, 2014, 08:50:49 PM
It certainly could be your bow mechanics.. However if it keeps happening, it could be your body mechanics when your cold and stiff, and tend to push a shot just a tad. then you warm up and start shooting straight.. You may try to warm up before shooting and see what happens.. If not its generally the sights... Or.. you may try to add some weight to the balance and force your self to pull in in at sighting.. Just guessing .. I have some similar issues with bow at first shot.. Im generally high.. I added some weight to pull my nose down and bingo.. My cold shots are grouping 3-4 inches, but with a CB..
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 17, 2014, 09:04:46 PM
All have hit on good points.
Are you left or right handed? Could be simple mechanics or that your draw length is wrong.

fp19
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 18, 2014, 03:45:09 PM
A lot of variable with a bow and also shooting a bow is a LOT mental. You can do a lot of shooting but still not improve if your form is off. I still do a mental checklist when I go to shoot and when I forget sometimes where the arrow hits on the target reminds me to go back start the checklist!
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 30, 2014, 07:21:23 AM
Well Folks,

I've taken a lot of your thoughts to heart and put them into practice.  Still shooting and REALLY bearing down.  Relaxing, concentrating, mental checklist etc. and I'm still high and right.  If I set the pin low and left on the target and release, I'm on the money.  Now here is a thought with a question.  If it is something in my form and it's that consistent, should I reset the sight to compensate for my issue at this point?  It's 3 weeks till go time for my week long archery hunt.  Two years ago it was two arrows, two dead deer.  Last year I didn't have the time to practice like I should have and missed two nice bucks in one week.  That's already in my head and what is going on now is not helping my mental state going in this year.  Thoughts?

Chuck
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 30, 2014, 07:59:08 AM
Still could be something in the form but perhaps it's not going to go back, we do change over time.  ;-D     At this point I would adjust the sights rather than training yourself to aim elsewhere.   If your form does return to where it was previously you can adjust accordingly.

It could also be something else such as cable stretch or something in the limbs.  As long as you are consistent, I would just roll with it.
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 30, 2014, 08:10:51 AM
I sure hope you get this fixed.  One thing that happened to me was my field points would hit dead center on the target and the broadheads were hitting about 6 inches high.  This is where I DON'T trust ALL bowshops.  The owner told me must be bad broadheads and sold me some new ones.  While they did hit closer they were still off.

What I found was I adjusted my rest down just a little.  Talking about 1/32 of an inch here.  While my field points were almost unchanged by this adjustment my broadheads did drop.  I learned that broadheads CAN be affected more then field points by these adjustments.  This is what the "tuning" is all about.  I was able to get the broadheads to hit where the field points were and all was much better.

I don't know if this pertains to you at all but it might be worth trying something like lowering the rest and moving it slightly to the left.  ONLY do that if you mark where everything is first so you can go back if you need to.  Also I would only do this if it seems that the farther out you go the more high and right the arrow hits.
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 30, 2014, 08:48:58 AM
Try closing your eyes and then Drawing your bow. Anchor and hold with your eyes closed. When you feel like everything is in place open your eyes.  See then if you have to move your head much to adjust to your peep sight and center your sight ring.  If it is way off I would start over and take it the bow shop to reset your peep. Then you will have to re-adjust your sights from there.  If everything is pretty well inline and in place then simply adjust your sights a little.  Could be a 5 min fix. Could be an alignment issue. 
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on September 30, 2014, 02:34:52 PM
These are all good ideas.  You can get WAY more complicated but try the old K.I.S.S. theory before you dive off in to the more complicated ideas.  Could it be something as simple as your rest/sights were bumped over the off season?  It wouldn't take much to throw you high and right.  Just curious.

fp19                                               %^$^
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on October 01, 2014, 01:44:20 PM
If you have worked on your form and practiced like you say, I would say its time to move the pin...
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on October 10, 2014, 06:26:14 PM
Well i have it figured out thanks to one of my hunting partner.  Asked him to come by and watch me shoot.  He is way better than me with a bow and he diagnosed me with Tightis Griposis.  The friends here that told me to lighten my grip were dead on.  I didn't realize i was gripping as tight as I was. When I put that in the forefront of my concentration it was problem solved.  Thanks you all for your input.
confidence is back now.  We'll see if it translates to the real deal soon.

Chuck
Title: Re: Question for you Archery Gurus
Post by: [Blocked] on October 10, 2014, 06:41:42 PM
Makes sense now, it's a bow, not a goose neck  ##$%#114